Limits

topic posted Fri, April 23, 2004 - 8:06 AM by  NRVcat
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Hello all,
I like the idea behind this group. There are plenty of times when my life just hums along on autopilot; sometimes that's good, sometimes I get frustrated by it. My question: what are the limits to doing what makes one happy? At what point do we stop ourselves with the thought "is what I plan to do going to hurt this/some other person?" Is my own happiness so important that I not consider the feelings of those around me?

~El
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NRVcat
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  • Re: Limits

    Sun, April 25, 2004 - 5:54 AM
    ~El, Great question and welcome. Personally making others happy makes me happy as well, however in pursuit of my own dreams my main goal is my own personal satisfaction and growth. Hopefully along that journey I will be able to have a positive impact on the souls that I do come in contact with but not at the risk of not fulfilling my own dream. I think that you always need to consider the cause and effect of your own actions and weigh the cost of possibly hurting someone else (I am speaking in the emotional sense and not the physical). For me the bottom line is that I am here but for a fraction, a blink of the eye in the terms of time, so it is my obligation to myself to get the most out of that time. Here’s and example. Up to 2 years ago I stayed in a job for 13 years, the last 3 of which were miserable, because of the hardship I felt it would cause my employer if I left. I postponed my dream so I would not cause undo stress on someone else. As it turned out when I finally did leave, the impact was minimal. I caused myself more harm then the person I was concerned about by staying that long. I think that you have got to consider the feelings of those around you but not at the sacrifice of what your heart is telling you to do.
    • Re: Limits

      Tue, April 27, 2004 - 5:33 AM
      Generally, companies will survive without a particular individual. The ones that can't were either too small and actually needed all the people they could get, or were too dependent on that one person and needed the kick in the pants to survive or die once that person left. Sorry to hear you didn't get to do what made you happy sooner; I hope things are better for you now. I've moved around several times precisely because I could and because I wasn't happy with the work situation. The current job is alright; the town I'm in has its good points but isn't where I see myself putting down roots. My question was actually geared more toward how an individual interacts with other individuals. I've known a few people who "followed their bliss" at the expense of those around them. They weren't mean about it (usually); it's just that they were going to do what made them happy and if someone else didn't like it or got in the way, too bad. Their attitude toward living made me curious -- was it just these few I'd met or were all non-conformists like them? It's definitely a balancing act, if you're the kind of person who considers those around them. Here's a secondary question: are sacrifice and compromise the same or two different animals? One person I know viewed them as the same thing and so lived in such a way that situations requiring compromise never arose. To me, they're different animals but can often intersect if the situation requires. Compromise generally tries to find an equitable payoff to all parties concerned; sacrifice means giving up part or all of your views/goods/whatever, usually for the greater good. Hopefully, it's a voluntary sacrifice.

      ~El
      • Re: Limits

        Tue, April 27, 2004 - 1:49 PM
        I definitely think that they are two different animals. I agree that sacrifice normally means giving something up and compromise is the middle road. When it comes to living life, both are a part of that picture. How much room we allow them to occupy is totally up to us. I have no problems sacrificing for things that I love, i.e. my wife, children, family and friends but when it comes to sacrificing morality, principals, beliefs; I tend to draw the line. You said that you knew a few people who followed their bliss at the expense of those around them. Personally I wish I had more of that in me. All too often, not only in me but in others I know, dreams are set aside (compromised) for “the greater good”. It is a balancing act to be sure. I feel that people come and go within our lives and that each and every person has a message for us. It is up to us to find that message. If by our actions, (how we live) we end up alienating them then we are potentially missing life changing interactions, growth, wisdom. I do not believe in coincidences.
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    Re: Limits

    Tue, April 27, 2004 - 2:27 PM
    I am one of those people that will not let most things get in the way of my happiness or my goals. I am very upfront with people about that though. My happiness comes first in everything I do. The only person that I am willing to put before myself is my son.

    My opinion is that my happpiness will lead to great relationships. If I am honest and true to myself in every situation then those around me will benefit. Unfortunately I can not be concerned with how my actions will affect other people. I think if I did that I would spend too much time trying to please other people and eventually resent them for it. To me, it just sets things up for disaster.

    Having said all that, I will not deliberately hurt anyone. If my actions hurt someone I will do whatever I can to make it better somehow. I deal more with "this happened" as opposed to "If I do this, what will happen" I can not be responsible for everyone's reaction to what I do. I can take responsibility for any harm I have caused. That is it.
    • Re: Limits

      Tue, June 1, 2004 - 7:52 PM
      "If you are spending your life struggling at work that has no meaning to you, and justifying it by saying that you must do it because it gives you the money you need to pay bills, then you are opting for some personal dishonesty with yourself. You have made money more important than your sense of purpose, and as long as you keep the priority in that order, you will always be lacking in purpose and total self-honesty!"

      DR. WAYNE DYER:
      • Re: Limits

        Sat, June 19, 2004 - 5:31 PM
        Michael,
        There is a certain point where you need to pay the bills and if you job pays well enough that you have the money to find peace outside of work it may be worth the meaningless hours.

        I was rarely truely happy in the military but I knew that if I did 20 years I would never have to worry about medical insurance again and I could retire and do what I wanted. I could see the world and meet new people in the meantime. I could find the good somewhere enough to tolerate the tyrants that I sometimes worked for. I find the same type of control freak people in civilian life.

        I just recently talked my husband into quiting his job because he was loyal to them but they weren't loyal to him when I proved it to him he quit. There was no point in staying there. I have also quit a job because it wasn't worth working for those control freaks. The loyalty was not not there.
        • Re: Limits

          Sun, June 20, 2004 - 8:48 AM
          Deborah, I agree with you. I spent 13 years of my life working for a major company that although compensated me well, showed no loyalty to me and whose only question was always what have you done for me lately. When a freind of mine was almost killed in an automobile accident I decided that life was to short to "waste" away doing something for the sole purpose of money, which at the time was my motivation. I can relate to making list and plans/back up plans as that is how I now live my life. Of course I still have to work which pisses me off but thats all part of it isn't it. I admire your sticking with the military for 20 years for the purpose you stated.
  • Re: Limits

    Sat, June 19, 2004 - 5:21 PM
    I love to make other people happy. It is what makes me happy to a certain point. I certainly consider the feelings of those around me when I do things.

    I went to the 7 habits class a few weekd ago and they told me I have a lose-win mental with an obsessive nature. I plan and make list for things that are important to me and I have back-up plans and alternate plans just in case. I may sometimes put myself at the short end of the stick but if we are both better off did I really lose?

    As for obsessive. I am persistant in many things that I do. When they become unproductive I quit doing them. I think that is a matter of perception.

    Since my life is happier and I have a stronger marriage and a better outlook on people I took it as a grain of salt.

    I think I rationally consider the feelings of those around me. However, misery loves company and some people are just never going to be happy.
    • Re: Limits

      Sun, June 20, 2004 - 8:55 AM
      "I love to make other people happy” So do I and unfortunately more often then not it is not reciprocated, especially in business. I attended 7 Habits and First Things First training with my old employer and got a lot out of the training. I still though have yet to figure out exactly how to make it all work. On paper it’s all great but when it comes to making it all work in the real world I still struggle.
      Do you ever compromise your own wants and or feelings for the sake of those around you? That in my mind is either my greatest strength or greatest weakness…I’m not quite sure which one yet.
      • Re: Limits

        Sun, June 20, 2004 - 10:22 AM
        I very fortunately have a husband that cares very much about me. I do what I think is right, whatever it takes to be able to sleep well at night, I am at peace within myself. I am not rich I am just very contently happy. I live a very fulfilling life. I have bills lot of them, but I enjoy life more fully than most and hey nobody can steal my credit.

        7 Habits made a lot of since to me. I think me and my husband both live a win-win or no deal life. I think most people view that as a lose-lose. My husband is constantly helping other fishermen fix their boats etc... We usually work it out in some form of trade.

        We have a poor family that we help out that has six kids, and the father just doesn't get it. He constantly quits his jobs and if it weren't for us they would be homeless. We have helped support them for almost 3 years now. I think that I can honestly say that we compromise our own wants at times for the sake of those around us.

        The sacrifice that we make for this is we have very little in our savings, we have bills and our children will have to work their way through college. If they choose to go!

        I need to be a savior to someone or I feel lost. Helping this family adds purpose to our lives and gives us a bit of more meaning. If they became unworthy I would find someone else to help. I think at least one of these six kids will amount to something and whether I get the credit for that doesn't matter. This gives me the courage to tell others no. I have warehouses full of bricks in heaven because of the sacrifices we have selfishly made for others. (Notice the selfish part)

        We gave a house to a non-profit organization in the area because we could. I did it because it added value to who I am. We had the opportunity and we took it it in a since gave us one more rung on Jacob's ladder.

        I do not do things for public recognition I do them as a form of self sacrifice that brings me closer to righteousness.

        That is why I can wake up in the morning day after day and help others that don't always deserve the help and that think that they are pulling the wool over my eyes. If I don't help you however, it won't hurt me.

        The dark side to this is that if you wrong me I will more than happily put the final nail into your coffin. When I pray for someone to reap what they sow my prayers are answered. I believe wholeheartedly that if you take advantage of people like me and my husband than you deserve an eternity in hell. I also don't care that much for organized religion. I'd rather spend Sunday morning fishing than being preach at.

        I refuse to quit being righteous and that is my greatest strength. my anger which people rarely see is my greatest weakness.

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